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    “Nothing I love more than giving the far-right Israeli government the excuse it desperately wanted to genocide Gaza! Critical support for the PEOPLE’S Zionist-Funded Catspaw of Hamas!”

    Putting aside the extremely dubious military value of the raid (which, as has been pointed out, largely resulted in the massacre and kidnapping of civilians rather than the pursuit of serious military objectives, including UN-verified sexual assault that is denied by multiple admins on the Fediverse ), celebrating what can be seen even under the most charitable terms as an overwhelming strategic failure is… strange.

    It’s like Confederates celebrating Pickett’s Charge.

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      I can tell you from experience that Cowbee is by far the most abusive person to argue with online I have ever encountered. And I love arguing online so I’ve met a lot. I blocked them a long time ago and seeing them in a screenshot still makes me shudder. Terrible humans

      • goat@sh.itjust.worksOPM
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        Cowbee is frustrating, but he’s easy to counter once you realise his spiel.

        Extremeists rely heavily on gish-gallop, bombarding you with nonsense. You need to focus on the weakest claim, point out the bias or flaw in the source, and play for neutrality and impartiality; they’ll crumble every single time.

        For example, when presented with an obviously biased source like Prolewiki or Redsails, or whatever copy-paste nonsense they have, ask for something more neutral and professional in tone, such as Reuters, AP News, or a neutral article.

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          You are biased, your source is biased, I am intimidated by BBC, here is a far more reliable source from suckingstrongmansdick.slop that shows the T-14 Armata will solve world hunger.

          Or something along those lines. I try from time to time. But am very quick to give up. So I do my part by making fun of them and donate to a good cause, which somehow makes them sooooooo angry. I wonder why.

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            That is their response, yeah, fortunately you can point out that liberal or western sources are transparent in their reporting and then ask why eastern sources like from China or Russia, are not transparent

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            One time I was asked to provide a non-Western source on ethnic cleansing in Xianjiang, (because apparently everything I was saying was straight from the US state deparment) I provided an Al-Jazeera article which apparently wasn’t good enough because it only referenced a UN report. In this same thread I was linked a video about Chinese democracy that came straight from CCP-controlled media lol

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              I had something similar, but somehow worse. It was in the very early days of the API migration and the Tiananmen Square massacre came up somewhere on lemmy. Someone from grad did what they do best and postet an unintelligible word salad followed by a link which “explains it all” how much we are feed western lies. I clicked it and oh boy.

              The website looked like babys first HTML project. Everything was pink. Not the calming, 70s pink. It was a fuck your eyeballs pink. And there was this seemingly endless list of hyperlinks. Some english, some chinese. I picked a link that looked the least like it would give me or my pc AIDS and I ended up with a youtube video of a chinese guy in a dimly lit room talking, into what I think was a 1990s webcam, about how he was there in Beijing in 1989 and how he came across this sketchy western dude who told him he was an CIA agent and he was planing a bloodbath for the protests. He apparently told this to everyone who was willing to listen and then vanished into the shadowrealm or something.

              I ended my excursion into vatnik wonderland disturbed. Knowing that I live on a planet on which there are millions of people who look at this and go: “I KNEW IT!”

        • PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de
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          Well maybe you’re better than me but I had a terrible time. I like to have some baseline respect when arguing, and I was basically told I’m the worst person imaginable because I didn’t fully answer every single paragraph in both their essay-length comments they left on each of my comments.

      • goat@sh.itjust.worksOPM
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        Did you know Gaza doesn’t teach the holocaust? That seems like a big red flag to me, pun intended.

        And the president of Palestine also has a doctorate in Holocaust Denialism and has made repeated claims about Nazi Germany not being all that bad? Casting doubt on the six million jews figure.

        And their children’s media even teaching kids about “wiping out the jews

        Or it’s just referring to the flag, sure. If so, why are they pinging Gaza’s enemies with Gaza’s own ethnic identity (the red triangle meaning arab)? That seems really odd to me.

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          Shut the fuck up zionist.

          God i can’t believe the anti tankies here are actually supportive of the genocidal state of israel. You make me ashamed to call myself an anarchist.

          Goat, do me a favor and ban me from this community you authoritarian bunghole licker.

          • goat@sh.itjust.worksOPM
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            nothing here states support of israel’s actions.

            only clear examples of antisemitism within the region.

            this may come as a shock to you, brace yourself, but not everything is black and white. As an anarchist, you should know better. You should also edit your comment as it’s too close to being antisemitic, which is against the no hate-speech rules.

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              I think Envy’s response was over the top but to be fair here, you’re the one who started with black-and-white discourse by putting anything remotely related to Palestine/Gaza into the antisemitism box. I wish you would just acknowledge that you posted misinformation, it’s not a big deal.

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                oh, no, you misunderstand me.

                I’m suggesting it’s more likely that the red arrow Hamas uses is referring to the holocaust instead of the arab identity. Why would they highlight targets in their propaganda videos with their own ethnic identity when they have an extensive history of antisemitism?

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                  No I understood you. I know you’re suggesting that, and your source is that it looks similar to a symbol that most people don’t even know and that wasn’t antisemitic to begin with because it was used for a variety of political prisoners.

                  Look you can cast doubt on what Hamas was thinking internally, by all means. But the generally accepted origin (which is what matters) is the Palestinian flag. So when you act like this symbol is definitely a symbol of antisemitism you’re stooping to tankie-level campist discourse and spreading misinformation.

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                I think Envy’s response was over the top but to be fair here, you’re the one who started with black-and-white discourse by putting anything remotely related to Palestine/Gaza into the antisemitism box.

                … that Hamas is antisemitic is not exactly a shocking revelation. The red triangle remains controversial and the connection to the Holocaust is not easily dismissed - not least because the inverted red triangle as a stand-alone symbol had very little currency in modern discourse before Hamas started using it to mark Israeli targets.

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                  You’re kinda proving my point. Whether or not Hamas is antisemitic says absolutely nothing about whether the symbol is.

                  Let’s create our own reality where symbols mean something else so we can demonize the people we hate better! Yay, now we’ve reached tankie-levels of campism.

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    to be honest: fuck israel and zionism, and I hope all the people supporting the genocide before the 7th were able to find their US passports and get back home safely.

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    Check out isrselis Jews posting tiktoks about Palestinians being starved this is pretty tame in comparison