It’s also cute that Dbzer0 keeps tabs on me even after instance-blocking my accounts for calling out this same admin on genocide apologia.
Dbzer0 has long been a tankie alt haven.
Especially popular with the corporate Ai simps and Russian trolls.
What was the deal with the AI stuff and dbzer0?
They like to roll play “seizing the means of production” by using corporate Ai to slowly degrade their own skills and thought capacity.
All they are doing is lining the pockets of capitalist swine and spreading the propaganda that Ai is trained to spread.
Is open-source AI also capitalist?
All Ai are hallucinating propaganda nightmares.
They still degrade your cognitive functions and are trained on stolen data. Deep seek is just as corporate and as corrupt with propaganda. Their training sources are still not revealed either.
All Ai is a plague on the planet and a bubble being inflated by the worst shit stains on this globe.
Any Ai simps reading this, go touch grass and please get some therapy from an actual professional human.
I’m not much of a fan of AI either, but we can’t exactly remove it.
Yes we can. Just don’t use it. I don’t see it anywhere in my life except the occasional article here that gets past my filters.
The bubble is going to pop soon enough and like with NFTs the tech bros will eventually make their way back into their sweaty caves.
Pandora’s box is opened, wrt AI. I don’t know what to do about it and it doesn’t improve our lives - but we also can’t un-fuck what it’s brought. It’s made disinformation much cheaper and faster to spread, for both state actors and non-state actors. And the fact that you can run a LLM on an ordinary (if high-end) consumer computer means it’s not going away completely. We’re stuck with this.
Who’s the Tankie alts? People are saying it with no links or usernames said.
EDIT: And who’s the russians too? Like is anyone on their payroll?
db0 has become really friendly twoards tankies
A lot of users from that community are literally alt accounts of .ml users and they use the instance to gain access to the places that defederated from them.
Who’s the alts? Names, links, proof?
Tankies like to subvert left-libertarian movements by infiltrating them. If only they did the same to fascists (while many groups require rigorous hazing rituals and sending them your personal details, others are too dumb for them, and thus a pretty good target for infiltration).
Tankies are fascists with a weird coat of paint on them.
It’s very worrisome. Can you go into detail about those alt accounts?
Makes perfect sense.
Tankies want Anarchy in the West, Order in the East.
More like “Tankies love making naive anarchists into useful idiots for fascism.”
Unruffled is, at least to me, pretty clearly just referring to authoritarian states by the ML’s own preferred term, not suggesting it’s genuinely a socialist state. This reading seems to be confirmed by being directly followed up with a recommendation to ban communities that support those states instead of whole defederation.
I don’t think it’s terribly controversial that .world and SJW does tend to generate the majority of reported users besides drive-by accounts on poorly moderated instances, if only by virtue of both of them being the biggest instances.
Not to say I haven’t had reports for .ml users either, but their stance isn’t unreasonable.
Weird though, since Dbzer0 federates with Hexbear, which unilaterally supports authoritarianism
Isn’t SJW federating with .ml?
Yes, but Hexbear and .ml are very different.
Both are ran and moderated by Tankie weirdos. Even federates with Hexbear and Lemmygrad.
Lemmy.zip is federated with hexbear too, what does it make lemmy.zip ?
Lemmy.world is still federated with hilariouschaos - https://piefed.world/post/488105
Does this make Lemmy.world align with HC stances?
And SJW has .ml federated, so I guess Goat is a Tankie too.
Edit: using your own logic is offensive now, got it. I’ll make sure to never try to reason with you. I forgot centrists find being called a communist worse than being called a fascist, as they align closer to that. Explains why they defended the “tankie degenerate roach” user for so long.
Hexbear is larger than dbzer0 and lemmy.zip
Hilariouschaos is much smaller than world
1300, 1200, 1100 weekly active users
Monthly, lemmy.zip and hexbear both have 1700 monthly active users , dbzer0 is at 1500
But what does the size of the instance even has to do in this conversation? Maga.place got defederated by LW, SJW, Blahaj, etc and it was a 5 users instance at the time.
You tell me what it has to do with the conversation, you brought up hilariouschaos in response to Hexbear.
Either way, dbzer0 and lemmy.zip should defederate from Hexbear, no?
Are you going to tell every single instance federated with hexbear that they should defederate with hexbear?
You were the first one using the “instances which are federated with hexbear are suspicious” argument in this comment
Yes.
Shouldn’t everyone defederate from hilariouschaos? Shouldn’t everyone defederate from Hexbear? Shouldn’t everyone defederate with lemmygrad? These are all extremist instances that don’t care for discussion or the fediverse.
Weird how they can’t answer this but Pug called you the time vampire. Despite never answering your questions honestly. Shocked you’re not banned yet for asking questions.
It’s a distraction after you proved Goat wrong, yet again. And then he moves the goal posts, again.
I would’ve bought that a few months ago, but considering that Unruffled has since done a 180 on such issues like “Does Critical Support for the PRC make someone a tankie?”, I’m disinclined to give them the benefit of the doubt. Using the preferred terminology of tankies when not talking to tankies, and when talking to someone who is anti-tankie in a bid to get them to accept tankies, is extremely questionable. Saying that the frequency is greater also suggests that it’s not absolute size of problematic users that’s being discussed.
That they assert that anarchists should have more in common with a red fascist instance than ‘liberal’ instances (which are far to the left of what most actual liberals would accept) is also telling.
Also, considering Hexbear’s extremely aggressive posture, trying to portray them as ‘less problematic’ than .world or SJW is extremely questionable.
You mean PugJesus is taking things out of context, lying about the context, and spreading it knowingly? I’m sure that’s never happened before.
the first sentence of unruffled says a lot, with or without context.
Anarchists have more in common from the fact that liberals support a capitalist framework alone. Tankies support socialism via weird means that don’t get there in the end.
One wants to do something similar, one defends capitalism. One wants to stop fascists, one defends fascists.
disagree. in my opinion anarchists and liberals have kind of the same goal, freedom for the people, but with very different means. all the while for tankies that’s not important at all, as we can see with how they cheer up on china and russia, surveillance states where your life can get destroyed for wrongthink.
Oh indeed, anarchists are more about freedom. It’s why I detest tankies.
“Tankies support socialism via fascism!”
Average red fash bootlicker.
Tankies are morons who have the right intentions but the wrong idea how to get it. They read Marx and saw Stalin and went “sure that seems good.”
Liberals haven’t read Marx, saw Stalin and went “anything he stood for was evil.” And they’re mostly right, but they have the wrong intentions with the new ways of avoiding it. All of which lead to Trump’s iron grip.
Tankies are morons who have the right intentions but the wrong idea how to get it. They read Marx and saw Stalin and went “sure that seems good.”
“They read Marx and missed his point entirely, instead embracing fascism, therefore, they’re better than people who haven’t read Marx.”
Liberals haven’t read Marx, saw Stalin and went “anything he stood for was evil.” And they’re mostly right, but they have the wrong intentions with the new ways of avoiding it. All of which lead to Trump’s iron grip.
What exactly is the fucking difference, then, between tankies and liberals in this conception in terms of where it leads to?
“Tankies are better than liberals because they oppose capitalism” in this conception, which acknowledges that tankies are aiming for Stalin-esque bureaucratic control of the means of production, is no more coherent than “Strasserists are better than liberals because they oppose capitalism”, or “Theocratic clientists are better than liberals because they oppose capitalism” - the latter, bizarrely enough, being something I have actually heard tankies on Lemmy espouse. Apparently the whole fascist conception of a “third way” was lost on them - or worse, appears appealing.
You could just as easily say “Liberals are morons who have the right intentions (democracy) but the wrong idea how to get it (capitalism)”
Tankies are dumbasses who simp for dictators, liberals have more intelligence but apply it incorrectly.
You could just as easily say “Liberals are morons who have the right intentions (democracy) but the wrong idea how to get it (capitalism)”
Honestly, fair.
That seems a little US-centric
Does capitalism breed fascism?
Capitalism in decay turns into authoritarianism, as the state becomes part of the market system.
Authoritarianism is bad, by fascists, capitalists, and states pretending to be socialist/communist.
Edit: if this place doesn’t like extremism, why am I being downvoted for saying extremism is a bad thing and we need to avoid it? Did I call out a method of it that you agree with, like .ml and .world?
Pretending is an interesting term. You think there’s states pretending to be communist? Which ones?
China, the Soviet Union, Cuba. North Korea used to, until its Juche reform in like 2019 (?) completely gave up on it.
Communism requires no state. A state claiming ot be communist is an oxymoron.
Yeah, if you read what was written then the thread title doesn’t make much sense.
I would’ve bought that a few months ago, but considering that Unruffled has since done a 180 on such issues like “Does Critical Support for the PRC make someone a tankie?”, I’m disinclined to give them the benefit of the doubt. Using the preferred terminology of tankies when not talking to tankies, and when talking to someone who is anti-tankie in a bid to get them to accept tankies, is extremely questionable. Saying that the frequency is greater also suggests that it’s not absolute size of problematic users that’s being discussed.
That they assert that anarchists should have more in common with a red fascist instance than ‘liberal’ instances (which are far to the left of what most actual liberals would accept) is also telling.
Also, considering Hexbear’s extremely aggressive posture, trying to portray them as ‘less problematic’ than .world or SJW is extremely questionable.
But I’m sure the commenter who has ‘never seen a tankie’ on Lemmy and constantly licks Russian imperialist boots and plays apologist for Ukrainian genocide is posting entirely in good faith. :)
Now why the hell would I read past the title?
Reading past the title is for Tankies!
Yeah but why would you want to look at the context, Pug did it for us! …just don’t look, it might prove him wrong.
