White, the CEO of UFC, was among the thousands in attendance at the Washington Hilton hotel when authorities say 31-year-old Cole Tomas Allen, armed with a shotgun, handgun and “multiple knives,” attempted to storm the event
I mean, either he knew in advance that it was staged and he wasn’t in any real danger, or he’s literally insane and delusional about his own mortality. Neither is a good look on his part.
Said it before about the guy eating soup and I’ll say it again, I wouldn’t have moved either unless he made it in the room. No fucking way he was making it past all the security and even if he did, I’m not the target, I’ll give him the ol’ “he went that-a-way.”
“Fucking awesome” is a little far though lol, didn’t at least one guy die/get shot in the line of duty?
Eh, more like 30 semi-randos, even if your average gun owning civilian is a better shot than average law enforcement officer that only quals once a year at best (which only applies to Police afaik, I do not know how rigorous the Secret Service is, I assume “more” but never know), that’s still working in my favor just by odds. The interior wall, fair, but still, it had to be over pretty fucking quick, how many shots did he even get off? How far away does it sound? Those details would also play a role in my decision.
Tbf, it was “fine” (respects to the family of the guy who did get shot of course), the shooter didn’t make it anywhere near soup guy and probably not this guy either.
Shootings get to a large number of casualties when they shoot at unarmed people, this guy stormed a line of armed people, much harder.
At the end of the day it’s their gamble to make anyway, but it by itself isn’t evidence of a set up, they could just be passively suicidal if you prefer that to logically thinking about the fact that he will not get past the guards.
And threw his life away. What’s even funnier, is that he did all that, wrote his mainfesto, and Lemmy doesn’t think any of it’s real anyway.
So the shooter didn’t even get to make the point he thought he was making! lololololol He had a good job, good life. Now he’s gonna go to prison for the rest of his life. The republicans will always think he is a sicko. Democrats believe he was just a plant. Best justice ever! lmao
Some are lol. I mean you’re not wrong it is “normal” but also not necessarily a lack of self preservation, could be faith in the Secret Service. Or faith in The Lord™ I guess, maybe he believes and doesn’t mind meeting him lol.
I mean, he could make a guess, but there was no way for him to know for sure the shooter wasn’t trying to target him. (Unless he had been told in advance.) If it were a genuine incident, then for all he knew, maybe the shooter intended to murder everybody in the room or something.
Normal, sane people simply do not react the way he did in a situation like that.
Yeah, I’m in a room with Trump and I’m the target. Sure lol. We all know who the target is. He doesn’t have enough time and ammo for the whole class, his real target is getting away, he’s slow, if you hurry you can maybe catch up…
Assuming you’re not an insane idiot with a death wish, are you really gonna be doing all that logic in your head while somebody is actively shooting in your general direction? C’mon, now.
Was it in my general direction? It’s a big place, could very well not be in the backstop. How do I know the shot wasn’t a secret service agent neutralizing a threat, seems quiet now I guess they got him.
Or he’s just bullshitting trying to look tough to match his image. Not everything is fucking fake news. Do you know what party used to go around screaming “fake news!” for everything just a few years ago?
You guys are becoming them. Is that what you want?! lol
Agreed. Lemmy users claiming that every assassination attempt is fake is just as cringeworthy and bizarre as when some Republicans used to insist school shootings were fake or staged.
I’m watching Lemmy posters slowly morph into the very people they claim to hate. They just vote D instead of R. That’s the only real difference. It’s crazy to see it happening in real time. In this very thread there is a guy saying it was “staged.” lolol (Hi @SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world )
it’s not. it’s called horseshoe theory. the more extreme ends of the political spectrum have far more common than they do with the people in the middle.
often the far left and the far right are basically only talking to each other, and they do not acknowledge the 80% of people who are neither, or they are extremely hostile to them, seeking them as being part of the other side.
It’s not. it’s called horseshoe theory. the more extreme ends of the political spectrum have far more common than they do with the people in the middle.
See, this is the disingenuous part they are talking about. Lemmy and fediverse as a whole is by nature not aligned with either end of the political spectrum.
It’s how tankie and western propaganda are being dismantled by the community every fucking day.
You disingenuous fucks try to frame it as polarizing ends because your bubble are being burst, influence fading and your programming is to cope.
We have extreme left on ml, hexbear and zionist platforms that are more or less hated and demonified, unlike places where one rules over the other.
And yes we love safe spaces for minorities where they can be themselves away from wannabe nazis and neoliberals who don’t give a fuck as long as they are not affected.
Take your pathetic attempt at discouraging people from fediverse somewhere else.
Well, according to Lemmy, it wasn’t even real, so…
I mean, either he knew in advance that it was staged and he wasn’t in any real danger, or he’s literally insane and delusional about his own mortality. Neither is a good look on his part.
Said it before about the guy eating soup and I’ll say it again, I wouldn’t have moved either unless he made it in the room. No fucking way he was making it past all the security and even if he did, I’m not the target, I’ll give him the ol’ “he went that-a-way.”
“Fucking awesome” is a little far though lol, didn’t at least one guy die/get shot in the line of duty?
Personally I’d have no faith in some unknown rando’s ability to shoot accurately or in the ability of an interior wall to protect me.
The ability to get through security and into the room are not the only concerns.
Eh, more like 30 semi-randos, even if your average gun owning civilian is a better shot than average law enforcement officer that only quals once a year at best (which only applies to Police afaik, I do not know how rigorous the Secret Service is, I assume “more” but never know), that’s still working in my favor just by odds. The interior wall, fair, but still, it had to be over pretty fucking quick, how many shots did he even get off? How far away does it sound? Those details would also play a role in my decision.
Holy crap you’re right and its so much worse
I wouldn’t be waiting to count them to react, the first is the indicator.
Close enough that you can hear it, close enough to go for safety first and assess after.
Tbf, it was “fine” (respects to the family of the guy who did get shot of course), the shooter didn’t make it anywhere near soup guy and probably not this guy either.
Shootings get to a large number of casualties when they shoot at unarmed people, this guy stormed a line of armed people, much harder.
At the end of the day it’s their gamble to make anyway, but it by itself isn’t evidence of a set up, they could just be passively suicidal if you prefer that to logically thinking about the fact that he will not get past the guards.
And threw his life away. What’s even funnier, is that he did all that, wrote his mainfesto, and Lemmy doesn’t think any of it’s real anyway.
So the shooter didn’t even get to make the point he thought he was making! lololololol He had a good job, good life. Now he’s gonna go to prison for the rest of his life. The republicans will always think he is a sicko. Democrats believe he was just a plant. Best justice ever! lmao
Oh I’m not saying it was fake, I’m saying the lack of response is a complete lack of self preservation.
Reacting is the typical response. That’s all.
Some are lol. I mean you’re not wrong it is “normal” but also not necessarily a lack of self preservation, could be faith in the Secret Service. Or faith in The Lord™ I guess, maybe he believes and doesn’t mind meeting him lol.
I mean, he could make a guess, but there was no way for him to know for sure the shooter wasn’t trying to target him. (Unless he had been told in advance.) If it were a genuine incident, then for all he knew, maybe the shooter intended to murder everybody in the room or something.
Normal, sane people simply do not react the way he did in a situation like that.
Yeah, I’m in a room with Trump and I’m the target. Sure lol. We all know who the target is. He doesn’t have enough time and ammo for the whole class, his real target is getting away, he’s slow, if you hurry you can maybe catch up…
Assuming you’re not an insane idiot with a death wish, are you really gonna be doing all that logic in your head while somebody is actively shooting in your general direction? C’mon, now.
Was it in my general direction? It’s a big place, could very well not be in the backstop. How do I know the shot wasn’t a secret service agent neutralizing a threat, seems quiet now I guess they got him.
You could catch a stray from a SS agent returning fire almost as easily as you could from the shooter himself.
The bottom line is, a reasonable person ducks. Only a clown or a troll doesn’t understand that.
One would think they’d be aiming in the direction the attacker is coming from, which since this isn’t amogus is “probably the other way.”
Or he’s just bullshitting trying to look tough to match his image. Not everything is fucking fake news. Do you know what party used to go around screaming “fake news!” for everything just a few years ago?
You guys are becoming them. Is that what you want?! lol
He was hardly alone in the room. If he were lying about not ducking somebody would have called him out on it immediately.
As someone recently said, “Not everything is fucking fake news.”
We’re in a bad place when both sides refuse to believe anything
Agreed. Lemmy users claiming that every assassination attempt is fake is just as cringeworthy and bizarre as when some Republicans used to insist school shootings were fake or staged.
I’m watching Lemmy posters slowly morph into the very people they claim to hate. They just vote D instead of R. That’s the only real difference. It’s crazy to see it happening in real time. In this very thread there is a guy saying it was “staged.” lolol (Hi @SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world )
most of them don’t vote at all. they just day-dream about the glorious future of communism and UBI.
voting is too much real-world effort for them.
And don’t forget they want the UBI so they can smoke weed and play video games all day. LMAO
this kind of attitude seems disingenuous
it’s not. it’s called horseshoe theory. the more extreme ends of the political spectrum have far more common than they do with the people in the middle.
often the far left and the far right are basically only talking to each other, and they do not acknowledge the 80% of people who are neither, or they are extremely hostile to them, seeking them as being part of the other side.
See, this is the disingenuous part they are talking about. Lemmy and fediverse as a whole is by nature not aligned with either end of the political spectrum.
It’s how tankie and western propaganda are being dismantled by the community every fucking day.
You disingenuous fucks try to frame it as polarizing ends because your bubble are being burst, influence fading and your programming is to cope.
We have extreme left on ml, hexbear and zionist platforms that are more or less hated and demonified, unlike places where one rules over the other.
And yes we love safe spaces for minorities where they can be themselves away from wannabe nazis and neoliberals who don’t give a fuck as long as they are not affected.
Take your pathetic attempt at discouraging people from fediverse somewhere else.
Great explanation! That sums up what I was trying to point out perfectly. Thank you!
How so?