Some people need an out-group to hate. That’s it. Everything else is a justification for the good chemical feels they get for subjugating the outsiders.

Even I was able to convince everyone in here to such a level that some of you would spontaneously fall to your knees, crying and bursting into song, praising my heuristic abilities, I am just one person and it would have no effect on anybody’s opinion about “Vibe coding”

If you believe this, that you can’t change anyone’s mind with your posts, why are you posting at all?

Bias is a thing though. How hard would you say you looked for credible articles? I just Googled “The positive effects of LLM on learning” and if my voice now sounds muffled, it’s because I am now buried under a massive pile of articles being credible all over the place.

True, I’m pretty convinced they kind of suck. Bias is a factor, as is some personal experience with them lying to me, and coworkers submitting strange code they didn’t understand. And the devaluation of labor is bad, too. They definitely can be useful tools to solve problems - I bet they can crank out working dynamic programming solutions and I never understood that stuff very well - but I don’t think they’re an amazing way to learn.

“You’d need to prove that you actually learned stuff” - To whom?

To the people in this thread if you want to convince us of your position.

“but in the longer term it will likely have negative consequences.” - Neither of us have any way of knowing that.

“most people don’t learn much from LLMs” - Again neither of us have any way of knowing that.

There have been several articles about people using LLMs not learning as much , such as the one this post is about. I haven’t seen any credible articles about it having positive impacts.

“your little text changing tool written” - Unnecessarily patronising (weakens your argument).

Heh, sorry. I meant little like snippet, not little like unimportant, but I see how it came off as patronizing.

Look, it’s great that you had a positive experience. I don’t think it’s universal that everyone would have that same outcome, not do I think it’s the only way to get good results. Concurrently, many people seem to be abusing llms.

Do you think you could rewrite the code it provided from scratch, now? Do you think you could apply the techniques to some other language (eg: Python)?

Looking up the answer or being told the answer isn’t the same as the normal learning process. That’s just how human brains are.

There’s also a big difference between “how do i do regex in Visual Basic” and “I don’t know what regex is but the LLM said to use it”.

I get the risks of over-reliance on automation that isn’t required to undergo detailed peer review but it’s also an amazing gift to amateurs like me.

It’s a gift in a very monkey’s paw kind of sense. Or the one ring. It’s tempting to use, but in the longer term it will likely have negative consequences.

I learnt so much that I would have found so much harder any other way.

You’d need to prove that you actually learned stuff, and that the hardness of the other routes wasn’t an important part of the process. It’s cool that you got your little text changing tool written, but i think it’s overselling it to say things were learned. Maybe you’re unusual, but most people don’t learn much from LLMs.

Poor emotional regulation. Poor long term planning. Disregarding facts for emotions.

Conservatives would hate it so it’s probably a good idea

It kind of makes sense if you consider right wing beliefs to be driven by fear. The world is scary, so drive a big “safe” car. Other people riding bikes challenges this world view, because if they’re brave enough to ride a bike and I’m not then I’m not the best, and that’s just not true. So bikes and bikers are bad. They’re bad because they make me feel bad.

Amazing, but it’s rude to call people you don’t like a “dummy”. Oh, it was like a mannequin? That’s far less good news.

Sometimes.

There’s also digressive victimhood. That’s where someone in a dominant group is accused of wrongdoing, and they claim victimhood on some other axis.

When dominant groups are accused of discrimination against non-dominant groups, they often seek to portray themselves as the victims of discrimination instead. Sometimes, however, members of dominant groups counter accusations of discrimination by invoking victimhood on a new dimension of harm, changing the topic being discussed. Across three studies (N = 3081), we examine two examples of this digressive victimhood – Christian Americans responding to accusations of homophobia by claiming threatened religious liberty, and White Americans responding to accusations of racism by claiming threatened free speech.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022103121001360

Wait, what’s the difference between a Nazi and a conservative? That’s a change in degree not in kind.

This was a good post. I suspect “vibe coders” won’t want to read all of it, sadly.

Yet, there is such a resistance to it by certain people, and I don’t understand why.

People are emotional driven. It might be something like “I worked 80 hour weeks. If I accept that that wasn’t the right move, then I have to admit I fucked up. I’m a good smart person. I don’t fuck up. Thus, this idea is wrong and I reject it”