Confession: I’ve been using Claude Code to write all my code for me. And I think it’s making me worse at the thing I’ve loved doing for twelve years.I can cl...
“You’d need to prove that you actually learned stuff” - To whom?
To the people in this thread if you want to convince us of your position.
“but in the longer term it will likely have negative consequences.” - Neither of us have any way of knowing that.
“most people don’t learn much from LLMs” - Again neither of us have any way of knowing that.
There have been several articles about people using LLMs not learning as much , such as the one this post is about. I haven’t seen any credible articles about it having positive impacts.
“your little text changing tool written” - Unnecessarily patronising (weakens your argument).
Heh, sorry. I meant little like snippet, not little like unimportant, but I see how it came off as patronizing.
Look, it’s great that you had a positive experience. I don’t think it’s universal that everyone would have that same outcome, not do I think it’s the only way to get good results. Concurrently, many people seem to be abusing llms.
“To the people in this thread if you want to convince us of your position.” - Even I was able to convince everyone in here to such a level that some of you would spontaneously fall to your knees, crying and bursting into song, praising my heuristic abilities, I am just one person and it would have no effect on anybody’s opinion about “Vibe coding” creating brain dead coders (sorry for the long sentence, it’s my ADHD brain). It’s enough that I’m telling you I learnt loads and it gave me the warm fuzzies because it’s true.
“I haven’t seen any credible articles about it having positive impacts.” - Bias is a thing though. How hard would you say you looked for credible articles? I just Googled “The positive effects of LLM on learning” and if my voice now sounds muffled, it’s because I am now buried under a massive pile of articles being credible all over the place.
Even I was able to convince everyone in here to such a level that some of you would spontaneously fall to your knees, crying and bursting into song, praising my heuristic abilities, I am just one person and it would have no effect on anybody’s opinion about “Vibe coding”
If you believe this, that you can’t change anyone’s mind with your posts, why are you posting at all?
Bias is a thing though. How hard would you say you looked for credible articles? I just Googled “The positive effects of LLM on learning” and if my voice now sounds muffled, it’s because I am now buried under a massive pile of articles being credible all over the place.
True, I’m pretty convinced they kind of suck. Bias is a factor, as is some personal experience with them lying to me, and coworkers submitting strange code they didn’t understand. And the devaluation of labor is bad, too. They definitely can be useful tools to solve problems - I bet they can crank out working dynamic programming solutions and I never understood that stuff very well - but I don’t think they’re an amazing way to learn.
“If you believe this, that you can’t change anyone’s mind with your posts, why are you posting at all?” - Because changing minds online is a big ask. I’ve realised over the years that the best anyone can hope for is maybe planting seeds. A chance to re-start a few people’s critical thinking engines when they’ve been swept up in a wave of herd thinking.
“I don’t think they’re an amazing way to learn.” - The thing I’ve realised, especially since discovering my ADHD, is that one person’s way of learning is just one of many. I had no idea I had ADHD till much later in life and until then I thought I was broken and just couldn’t learn the way others seemed to. For me, having an ego and baggage free interlocutor to learn from, who adapts to my way of learning, rather than the other way around has been life changing.
A common condition also linked with ADHD is RSD (Rejection Sensitivity Dysphoria) which basically boils down to being certain at all times that everyone is sick of interacting with me and certainly sick of trying to teach me things. ChatGPT never gets annoyed with me. It just figures out my learning language and adapts. This is why I described it in my original message as “a way to understand coding for the first time”.
“Do you think you could rewrite the code it provided from scratch, now?” - Yes (did a bunch of experiments with it too. Was fun!)
“but in the longer term it will likely have negative consequences.” - Neither of us have any way of knowing that.
“You’d need to prove that you actually learned stuff” - To whom?
“your little text changing tool written” - Unnecessarily patronising (weakens your argument).
“most people don’t learn much from LLMs” - Again neither of us have any way of knowing that.
To the people in this thread if you want to convince us of your position.
There have been several articles about people using LLMs not learning as much , such as the one this post is about. I haven’t seen any credible articles about it having positive impacts.
Heh, sorry. I meant little like snippet, not little like unimportant, but I see how it came off as patronizing.
Look, it’s great that you had a positive experience. I don’t think it’s universal that everyone would have that same outcome, not do I think it’s the only way to get good results. Concurrently, many people seem to be abusing llms.
“To the people in this thread if you want to convince us of your position.” - Even I was able to convince everyone in here to such a level that some of you would spontaneously fall to your knees, crying and bursting into song, praising my heuristic abilities, I am just one person and it would have no effect on anybody’s opinion about “Vibe coding” creating brain dead coders (sorry for the long sentence, it’s my ADHD brain). It’s enough that I’m telling you I learnt loads and it gave me the warm fuzzies because it’s true.
“I haven’t seen any credible articles about it having positive impacts.” - Bias is a thing though. How hard would you say you looked for credible articles? I just Googled “The positive effects of LLM on learning” and if my voice now sounds muffled, it’s because I am now buried under a massive pile of articles being credible all over the place.
If you believe this, that you can’t change anyone’s mind with your posts, why are you posting at all?
True, I’m pretty convinced they kind of suck. Bias is a factor, as is some personal experience with them lying to me, and coworkers submitting strange code they didn’t understand. And the devaluation of labor is bad, too. They definitely can be useful tools to solve problems - I bet they can crank out working dynamic programming solutions and I never understood that stuff very well - but I don’t think they’re an amazing way to learn.
“If you believe this, that you can’t change anyone’s mind with your posts, why are you posting at all?” - Because changing minds online is a big ask. I’ve realised over the years that the best anyone can hope for is maybe planting seeds. A chance to re-start a few people’s critical thinking engines when they’ve been swept up in a wave of herd thinking.
“I don’t think they’re an amazing way to learn.” - The thing I’ve realised, especially since discovering my ADHD, is that one person’s way of learning is just one of many. I had no idea I had ADHD till much later in life and until then I thought I was broken and just couldn’t learn the way others seemed to. For me, having an ego and baggage free interlocutor to learn from, who adapts to my way of learning, rather than the other way around has been life changing.
A common condition also linked with ADHD is RSD (Rejection Sensitivity Dysphoria) which basically boils down to being certain at all times that everyone is sick of interacting with me and certainly sick of trying to teach me things. ChatGPT never gets annoyed with me. It just figures out my learning language and adapts. This is why I described it in my original message as “a way to understand coding for the first time”.