• eldavi@lemmy.ml
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    3 days ago

    you’re exhibiting the default position of americans that have completely (and hopefully unwittingly) swallowed all of the propaganda and i know this because i use to believe it too.

    it’s taking me a lifetime of effort to learn from history books, lectures, and other forms of intellectual masturbation that people are forced to come here because the united states enshitifies their countries by fostering war, political violence, and corruption when the people in those countries try to install governments that want to use its natural resources to help it’s own people instead of giving it away to american capitalists. this has been happening since european colonization has been a thing, so it’s not unique to the united states.

    i don’t expect you accept any of this because i didn’t at first; but i suspect that you’re atleast aware that we invade other countries for their oil. this is also true of other natural resources like minerals, foliage, strategic position, etc. we take what the american capitalists want to make a profit from and do it by any means necessary to get it, including fucking over other countries to badly that their people are forced to leave and it’s a open secret that we do it since it’s literally printed in black in white in history books as well as by our own government.

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      3 days ago

      But here’s the thing. They can pick plenty of other countries that everyone thinks are way more awesome than us. So again, if we are so bad, why are they coming here? If we are so bad and are just one tiny country, then why haven’t all the other bigger “better” countries teamed up to take in the disenfranchised, and let us wither and die?

      Why hasn’t anyone stepped up to take in everyone? We are so bad, and other countries are so good, they could just step up and take them. The other countries can refuse do do bis with us. I mean, we are just one country. The rest of the ENTIRE PLANET outnumber us.

      So why aren’t they doing something about? Since we’re so bad and evil and all.

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        3 days ago

        they do pick other countries and those other countries accept so many that it’s lead to larger relative immigration populations than the united states has accepted. it’s only propaganda that says they’re only coming to the united states; it’s the most accessible place you can reach on foot.

        and the rest of the world cannot “gang up” the united states mostly because it has made everyone dependent upon the american financial system to keep their people fed and housed and also because we have the largest military by far that gets used every time another country tries to stop using the american financial system. only countries with large enough militaries and financial systems that can fight back are the ones that try to gang up and they’re doing it with BRICS; but even combined they’re still dramatically smaller.

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          2 days ago

          they do pick other countries and those other countries accept so many that it’s lead to larger relative immigration populations than the united states has accepted.

          So problem solved. I mean, we are tinier that the rest of the planet. So everyone should have plenty of room. Heck, according to Lemmy, no one should even come here. We’re a terrible country!

          because it has made everyone dependent upon the american financial system to keep their people fed and housed

          Hmm, so all of those countries are dependent upon the American financial system. Guess we aren’t so bad. Seems like a lot of people depend on us.

          But again, why don’t all the other great countries just take that over? We’re so terrible and so horrible, it should be pretty easy to do. Not to mention that according to Lemmy, the US is falling apart! So perfect time for countries to break away and be independent of the big bad ole United States.

          Why isn’t that happening? We are just one horrible little country that is falling apart. Right?

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            2 days ago

            the problem is not solved because the immigration is pushing the global north to embrace fascism and drug dealers also make you dependent up on them and you would be fool to think that dependency is automatically a good thing.

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              2 days ago

              Well gee, that makes the US not seem so bad. Could it be that Lemmy is wrong about us being the true evil of the world?

              Why would immigration push the global north to embrace fascism?! I thought it was just the US that was fascist?

              How has the US made anyone dependent on us? We are just one country. One that is supposedly falling apart. With so many other good countries out there, they can step in and take over! Why don’t they? Why aren’t they stepping up and doing the right thing and just getting rid of our big bad capitalist ways? We’re terrible. Lemmy says we are evil.

              So again, how come the good heroic countries aren’t teaming up and stepping up?

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                2 days ago

                yes, the united states forced that dependency on the rest of the world and it’s not just the united states that’s embracing fascism. if you’re an american, it’s not surprising to know that you’re unaware of the other fascist parties that are getting stronger in the rest of the global north like afd in germany; reform in the uk; national front in france; meloni’s victory in italy; new democracy party in greece; etc.

                this child-like view of “good” and “bad” countries is holding you back.

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                  Ok, so have you told Lemmy this? Because Lemmy seems to think we are the only bad guy. Did you let Lemmy know your theory?

                  And wow, if we forced dependency on everyone, the how is it we are falling apart? Lemmy says it’s over the for US. But you make it sound like we are plenty powerful.

                  Sounds like the good country pool is getting smaller and smaller. Hmmm, what do you think about that?

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                    2 days ago

                    americans began forcing the dependency on latin america during the 19th century and then started doing it to the rest of the world around world war 2; it accidentally started declining thanks to nixon and reagan unwittingly kicked it into overdrive. the power is still there but it’s spread thin thanks to ukraine, taiwan, isreal, venezuela, colombia, cuba & mexico all happening at the same time; the world starting to distrust the united states because of its support for isreal despite the gazan genocide live-streaming on social media; and trump alienating the other colonial powers that have been trusted american allies until now.

                    your child-like characterization of countries as “good guys” or “bad guys” is one of the big reasons why westerners (especially americans) don’t know why trump is in power, or why the other countries like the united states is embracing fascism, or why the united states power has been spread so thin and no one (not even lemmy) will learn it until people like you drop this child-like characterization and start reading books that aren’t written by westerners.