• IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works
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    2 months ago

    The last stars will burn out in 120 trillion years

    We think. We still haven’t solved things like the dark matter/energy problem. The answer to that alone could drastically change what we estimate will happen in the distant future.

    • Afaithfulnihilist@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      2 months ago

      Stuff only burns for so long. We might learn more about the geometry of space and that there is more out there at greater distances where maybe even other Big bangs are possible but there is a certain maximum amount of time that a star can exist.

      Over the time scales of the life of a proton the maximum variability in the amount of time a star can burn is a rounding error against the scale of numbers needed to express the amount of time it takes for hawking radiation to reduce black holes to ultra long wavelengths of infrared radiation.

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        2 months ago

        Yes, but we don’t have proof that universe can’t generate new matter. For all we know there is a mechanism in universe not yet observed that can create new matter out of little vacuum and more stars will keep forming.

        So technically all we can say is, it’s likely that stars will die out in 1000 trillion years.

        • ubergeek@lemmy.today
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          2 months ago

          Yes, but we don’t have proof that universe can’t generate new matter.

          True… we also don’t have proof there isn’t a tea pot orbiting our Sun since it’s creation, either.

          However, there’s also a complete lack of evidence of it.

          You cannot prove a negative. The evidence says no new matter can be created. No evidence that new matter gets created. Therefore, we work on the model of no new matter creation.

  • Frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    2 months ago

    Also see Dyson’s Eternal Intelligence:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyson's_eternal_intelligence

    Basically, if you assume it’s possible to upload our intelligence to a computer and run it, then you can keep the energy going to run it for a very, very long time. Well past the heat death of the rest of the universe. It depends on running things in an on and off state to conserve energy for trillions of years. Subjectively, the people in there wouldn’t notice that and would simply see their active lifespans go for trillions of years. It’s not clear what the limit would actually be.

    It’s something like Zeno’s Paradox. You cut things in half each cycle, but never quite get to zero.