But Harris did support genocide. It’s kinda hard to convince people that you are the one to save democracy when you refuse to stand up against something so obviously evil, especially when we never got a real primary.
Not voting Harris was a bad move, but 2/3 of the American electorate did it. Of those, the ones pissed about a genocide were the most justified. Why single them out?
It sounds directly contradictory from the inside too. Biden didn’t “give up” he just didn’t take the most radical approach that many on the left wanted him to take (including me). When the courts shut down his original program, he started to forgive a bunch of more specific but smaller groups of loans. It never totalled close to his original attempt, but it was significant. He could have tried to do the original by a different legal justification, but he never tried it, probably because it would have opened the door to even more loan forgiveness.
That’s why I said he is doing “very little” and not “nothing” that wasn’t where we were already headed. Trump has been a national embarrassment in regards to Ukraine, but I’m not sure he’s really hurt them. It’s not like Biden was doing a great job there. Venezuela has been “screwed up” for a very long time, and the US is largely responsible for that - both Democrats and Republicans.
I also don’t buy that the U.S. was headed to fascism with military on the streets
Then you haven’t been paying attention. What do you think the militarization of police has all been about? That’s something that Republicans and Democrats have both been pushing, right alongside mass surveillance. Look into how the “Cop City” protests were responded to.
and ICE taking naturalized citizens off the streets violently
Trump is a far worse than any Democrat on that front, but lets not pretend ICE wasn’t draconian under Biden as well.
So no, the parties are not the same. At all.
WTF? Why is it impossible to have any kind of discussion about the Democratic establishment without this bullshit? Where did I say both parties are the same? They are very different, but the dynamic between the two has always been leading us to certain inevitable outcomes. Republicans push politics to the right, while Democrats follow the polls and don’t try to lead the country anywhere. The end result is a steady march to the right.
And specifically villainizing the idiots who helped Trump win by ‘protest’ voting against the democrats is valid.
I think the term “villain” is a little over the top, but I didn’t criticize you for calling them out, I criticized you for calling them out exclusively. That’s a toxic attitude and a strong indicator of establishment brain-rot. It’s repeating the exact mistakes that drove people away from voting for Democrats in the first place. You aren’t trying to win elections, you are being smug. I hold you personally more responsible for Trump’s win than any protest voter. A curse on you both.
I’d rather blame every party that did their best to put Trump in power, whether intentionally or not.
But you didn’t. You blamed one tiny segment of voters.
The Republican and Democratic establishments are both to blame, but they are largely the same group. The Republican establishment just lost control of their populists while the Democratic establishment lost the loyalty of theirs.
Trump himself has never been the real problem. He’s just a symptom of the rot in both establishments. He is doing very little that wasn’t already where we were headed. At worst he sped up the process a bit.
1/3 of eligible voters went for Trump. Another 1/3 stayed home or made protest votes. Of those who didn’t vote for either party, the vast majority were (de)motivated by straight up apathy. Those trying to teach the Democrats (or Republicans) a lesson were probably the least significant bloc of all, yet some people seem stuck on blaming them for the outcome.
The fault lies with the Democratic establishment that pissed away every opportunity to win what should have been an easy victory. They really had to work to loose that election. If you really want to blame the voters, then start with Trump voters and the Democratic voters who nominated Biden in 2020.
Americans already overwhelmingly oppose an invasion of Venezuela. It will be interesting to see if that’s enough to prevent it.
You might as well be angry at a stapler as the corporate structure of a political party.
As a fellow Bernie supporter, let me assure you that the Republicans support your decision and Bernie doesn’t.
Agreed.