We live in a Cyberpunk scenario. Except with less neon. I also get the impression that you keep considering me opposed to what you want, when in fact i am just as hostile towards digital surveillance as the next guy.
I just dont think that kicking a nerd with smart glasses in the face is how we protect ourselves meaningfully from that, and am arguing generally from that position. If anything we need to develop technological solutions to what is a technological attack on us, when we cant seem to agree as a society on putting capitalism to the torch. Legislation wont protect you (yet 🤞), attacking offending people wont fix the problem, so the only logical course is to get creative about diy solutions.
That being said, building a fucking fake online identity that algorithms will associate with your face / reflective clothing or infrared stuff can hardly be considered futuristic or “cyberpunk”. Just buy some and off you go
I just dont think that kicking a nerd with smart glasses in the face is how we protect ourselves meaningfully from that, and am arguing generally from that position.
Where have I argued for violence against these people?
My standpoint has been prevention of their production and use, not violent attacks on their users. Me talking on the internet about how the people that use them are cunts is not a violent attack.
The users are useful idiots paying for and supporting a product throigh ignorance, or wilfully intending to use them for imoral reasons.
If anything we need to develop technological solutions to what is a technological attack on us
Yeah? When? In a few years time when it becomes so prevalent that it’s inescapable?
This is what I mean by it is NOW, not some cyberpunk fantasy bullshit, we’re living it, there are no products to protect you, only ones that make you more obviously trying to obfuscate your identity, which works counter to its intent by highlighting you as someone for further investigation.
You started this conversation by saying “i would say there are definite use cases for smart glasses/“eyes”. Yes, corporations are pushing it without restraint or common sense because capitalism, but the technology in principle is not necessarily evil.” Which in principle I agree with, cameras themselves are not evil, but the people wearing facebook-owned cameras disguised as glasses DESIGNED to record everything discretely enough to not be immediately noticeable, are not morally upstanding people and should know that they are being mocked.
I am arguing from the point of ‘We as people should not have to use anti paparazzi reflective coverings every day just so that these fuckers can wear their pervert glasses without challenge.’ The same way we should not have to wear prismatic face shields to prevent AI facial recognition.
Good luck building a ‘fake online identity’ that isn’t immediately associated with your personal information, because thanks to the ability of AI systems to analyse huge swathes of data, your way of typing, the things you interact with, and your internet traffic can be easily traced back to you as a human. This is a well documented fact, and can be/is used to create fake profiles that use your exact tone of speech and your mannerisms indistinguishable from your ‘real’ words.
… Okay. Honestly i’m just tired of this pointless conversation where we both have our convictions and are fruitlessly arguing against a wall. I’m not even sure what we are talking about any more so i will just concede, and take comfort in the fact that you feel validated today.
As a side note, i hope you are spending as much time and effort arguing with people not actually on your side.
We live in a Cyberpunk scenario. Except with less neon. I also get the impression that you keep considering me opposed to what you want, when in fact i am just as hostile towards digital surveillance as the next guy.
I just dont think that kicking a nerd with smart glasses in the face is how we protect ourselves meaningfully from that, and am arguing generally from that position. If anything we need to develop technological solutions to what is a technological attack on us, when we cant seem to agree as a society on putting capitalism to the torch. Legislation wont protect you (yet 🤞), attacking offending people wont fix the problem, so the only logical course is to get creative about diy solutions.
That being said, building a fucking fake online identity that algorithms will associate with your face / reflective clothing or infrared stuff can hardly be considered futuristic or “cyberpunk”. Just buy some and off you go
Where have I argued for violence against these people?
My standpoint has been prevention of their production and use, not violent attacks on their users. Me talking on the internet about how the people that use them are cunts is not a violent attack.
The users are useful idiots paying for and supporting a product throigh ignorance, or wilfully intending to use them for imoral reasons.
Yeah? When? In a few years time when it becomes so prevalent that it’s inescapable?
This is what I mean by it is NOW, not some cyberpunk fantasy bullshit, we’re living it, there are no products to protect you, only ones that make you more obviously trying to obfuscate your identity, which works counter to its intent by highlighting you as someone for further investigation.
You started this conversation by saying “i would say there are definite use cases for smart glasses/“eyes”. Yes, corporations are pushing it without restraint or common sense because capitalism, but the technology in principle is not necessarily evil.” Which in principle I agree with, cameras themselves are not evil, but the people wearing facebook-owned cameras disguised as glasses DESIGNED to record everything discretely enough to not be immediately noticeable, are not morally upstanding people and should know that they are being mocked.
I am arguing from the point of ‘We as people should not have to use anti paparazzi reflective coverings every day just so that these fuckers can wear their pervert glasses without challenge.’ The same way we should not have to wear prismatic face shields to prevent AI facial recognition.
Good luck building a ‘fake online identity’ that isn’t immediately associated with your personal information, because thanks to the ability of AI systems to analyse huge swathes of data, your way of typing, the things you interact with, and your internet traffic can be easily traced back to you as a human. This is a well documented fact, and can be/is used to create fake profiles that use your exact tone of speech and your mannerisms indistinguishable from your ‘real’ words.
… Okay. Honestly i’m just tired of this pointless conversation where we both have our convictions and are fruitlessly arguing against a wall. I’m not even sure what we are talking about any more so i will just concede, and take comfort in the fact that you feel validated today.
As a side note, i hope you are spending as much time and effort arguing with people not actually on your side.