I said it won’t fix or improve anything, it simply slows down the decline, and in my opinion that’s not a bad thing. During the extra time, people don’t make it better.
I don’t really remember whatabouting what’s happening to the uyghurs. I just thought the label didn’t describe what’s happening to them accurately.
I said it won’t fix or improve anything, it simply slows down the decline, and in my opinion that’s not a bad thing. During the extra time, people don’t make it better.
“I would rather the decline be slower.”
“The problem with that is that it pushes people to vote for the alternative”
Yes, definitely not objecting to someone explicitly arguing for slowing down the decline.
I guess all the “Ukraine is a CIA puppet!” talk in that same thread just wasn’t as important to object to, huh?
And then you wonder why I don’t take your claims of being totally just a neutral observer who only cares about precision, not spreading tankie talking points 🥺, seriously.
I don’t really remember whatabouting what’s happening to the uyghurs. I just think the label doesn’t describe what’s happening to them accurately.
I am explaining why a slower decline isn’t the solution, but it’s desirable nevertheless.
I don’t think Ukraine is a CIA puppet, Russia’s land grab in ukraine is unjustified. There is a nazi problem in Ukraine, but that’s not a reason to side with Russia in any way.
When it comes to the Uyghurs, I did do more reading, and settled back on my previous conclusion (that it is a genocide). There is a sever lack of evidence though (and Adrian Zenz is genuinely unreliable).
I am explaining why a slower decline isn’t the solution, but it’s desirable nevertheless.
The poster you responded to explicitly pointed out that it wasn’t a solution in and of itself, meaning your disputation was thus either meaningless, or you’re bullshitting now.
I don’t think Ukraine is a CIA puppet,
I’m not the one you need to tell. Apparently, people saying “Decline should be slower” is a problem you need to address, but “Ukrainians in the streets protesting against a Russian-dominated government are CIA plants” is just fine. Which tracks for behavior on Dbzer0 - gotta fit in with the crowd, right?
The crowd which is comprised largely of tankies who get asspats from the ‘anarchists’ there.
When it comes to the Uyghurs, I did do more reading, and settled back on my previous conclusion (that it is a genocide). There is a sever lack of evidence though (and Adrian Zenz is genuinely unreliable).
You literally just said:
I don’t really remember whatabouting what’s happening to the uyghurs. I just think the label doesn’t describe what’s happening to them accurately.
I fucked up the tenses, and edited my comment since. That was my opinion at the time. Do you want me to believe that nothing is happening to them?
The poster you responded to explicitly pointed out that it wasn’t a solution in and of itself
I was sharing my (probably pretty pessimistic) opinion that people wouldn’t have organised if the democrats won again. Like how people who voted for biden before didn’t organise. Maybe it was a meaningless comment.
“The problem with that is that it pushes people to vote for the alternative”
Yes, definitely not objecting to someone explicitly arguing for slowing down the decline.
A slow decline does frustrate people, that’s why trump won. The democrats slow decline did nothing for people.
You can’t blame the democrats failures on the tiny minority of leftists who didn’t vote. Sure, if they voted it would have helped, but I don’t think they would have won the election for them. The democrats are also said “we don’t need the left” a load of times. I don’t think that’s very appealing for leftists.
I don’t really see why you’re surprised anarchists are anti-electorialism. An anarchist party is impossible. It is impossible to dissolve a state (into a preferable society) by voting.
“Ukrainians in the streets protesting against a Russian-dominated government are CIA plants” is just fine.
I looked up the thread again because I didn’t remember this, I didn’t read that specific part of the thread at all because it was too long, so I just scrolled past it.
The crowd which is comprised largely of tankies who get asspats from the ‘anarchists’ there.
fuck no, and that’s a creepy way of phrasing that.
I fucked up the tenses, and edited my comment since. That was my opinion at the time. Do you want me to believe that nothing is happening to them?
I’m doubting that your opinion is any more serious now than it was when you swapped the previous two times. Like a conservative confronted with evidence, I suspect you’ll change for exactly as long as it takes for the norms of another social circle to kick in.
You can’t blame the democrats failures on the tiny minority of leftists who didn’t vote. Sure, if they voted it would have helped, but I don’t think they would have won the election for them.
“Tiny minority of leftists who didn’t vote” here meaning “A group significantly larger than the Dem margin of defeat”?
The democrats are also said “we don’t need the left” a load of times. I don’t think that’s very appealing for leftists.
“The Democrats said”
“The big tent party isn’t muzzling the people I want to be muzzled”
I’m sorry that ‘leftists’ apparently felt so insulted by some moderate neolib ghouls that they decided selling marginalized groups down the fucking river was an acceptable alternative. I’m so glad my life is being sacrificed for their egos.
I don’t really see why you’re surprised anarchists are anti-electorialism. An anarchist party is impossible. It is impossible to dissolve a state (into a preferable state) by voting.
Considering that harm reduction is part of anarchist thought, but banned by admin fiat on dbzer0 as ‘turbolib’ behavior, I’m unsurprised that you see no difference between “Letting fascism win elections makes our job harder” and “Voting can solve all our problems”
fuck no, and that’s a creepy way of phrasing that.
I’m sorry that you find it ‘creepy’ when I point out that tankie opinions are overwhelmingly upvoted and vocally supported on dbzer0 comms, while the moderators and admins do nothing about it. Maybe you can ask your admins to deny UN verified sexual assault a few more times to make things feel less creepy.
Yeah, I get that having your social circle’s dogma challenged is uncomfortable.
Are you having fun arguing like this? are you enjoying it? I sure don’t.
No, but I regard letting people play bad faith bullshit games with questions of genocide, welcoming fascism, and support for authoritarianism as bad fucking practice. If I ‘enjoyed’ this kind of argument, I’d wade into dbzer0 to start fights on an alt. Instead, I just would prefer you keep the bootlicking out of places where decent people congregate.
But hey, those ‘leftists’ were really upset that neolib ghouls said neolib ghoul things, so it’s completely understandable that they sold millions of American minorities out to be oppressed or murdered, and millions of foreign citizens for the same. What noble and bold paragons of proletarian morality.
Of course, on dbzer0, one is banned for pointing that out. But such is the price of anarchist unity, huh?
I said it won’t fix or improve anything, it simply slows down the decline, and in my opinion that’s not a bad thing. During the extra time, people don’t make it better.
I don’t really remember whatabouting what’s happening to the uyghurs. I just thought the label didn’t describe what’s happening to them accurately.
“I would rather the decline be slower.”
“The problem with that is that it pushes people to vote for the alternative”
Yes, definitely not objecting to someone explicitly arguing for slowing down the decline.
I guess all the “Ukraine is a CIA puppet!” talk in that same thread just wasn’t as important to object to, huh?
And then you wonder why I don’t take your claims of being totally just a neutral observer who only cares about precision, not spreading tankie talking points 🥺, seriously.
“It’s not really genocide because all the accusations are Adrian Zenz!”
[extensive refutation]
“I’ll get to it later.”
Turns out, what you meant was “I’ll keep repeating the same tankie bootlicking talking points later.”
I am explaining why a slower decline isn’t the solution, but it’s desirable nevertheless.
I don’t think Ukraine is a CIA puppet, Russia’s land grab in ukraine is unjustified. There is a nazi problem in Ukraine, but that’s not a reason to side with Russia in any way.
When it comes to the Uyghurs, I did do more reading, and settled back on my previous conclusion (that it is a genocide). There is a sever lack of evidence though (and Adrian Zenz is genuinely unreliable).
The poster you responded to explicitly pointed out that it wasn’t a solution in and of itself, meaning your disputation was thus either meaningless, or you’re bullshitting now.
I’m not the one you need to tell. Apparently, people saying “Decline should be slower” is a problem you need to address, but “Ukrainians in the streets protesting against a Russian-dominated government are CIA plants” is just fine. Which tracks for behavior on Dbzer0 - gotta fit in with the crowd, right?
The crowd which is comprised largely of tankies who get asspats from the ‘anarchists’ there.
You literally just said:
I fucked up the tenses, and edited my comment since. That was my opinion at the time. Do you want me to believe that nothing is happening to them?
I was sharing my (probably pretty pessimistic) opinion that people wouldn’t have organised if the democrats won again. Like how people who voted for biden before didn’t organise. Maybe it was a meaningless comment.
A slow decline does frustrate people, that’s why trump won. The democrats slow decline did nothing for people.
You can’t blame the democrats failures on the tiny minority of leftists who didn’t vote. Sure, if they voted it would have helped, but I don’t think they would have won the election for them. The democrats are also said “we don’t need the left” a load of times. I don’t think that’s very appealing for leftists.
I don’t really see why you’re surprised anarchists are anti-electorialism. An anarchist party is impossible. It is impossible to dissolve a state (into a preferable society) by voting.
I looked up the thread again because I didn’t remember this, I didn’t read that specific part of the thread at all because it was too long, so I just scrolled past it.
fuck no, and that’s a creepy way of phrasing that.
I’m doubting that your opinion is any more serious now than it was when you swapped the previous two times. Like a conservative confronted with evidence, I suspect you’ll change for exactly as long as it takes for the norms of another social circle to kick in.
“Tiny minority of leftists who didn’t vote” here meaning “A group significantly larger than the Dem margin of defeat”?
“The Democrats said”
“The big tent party isn’t muzzling the people I want to be muzzled”
I’m sorry that ‘leftists’ apparently felt so insulted by some moderate neolib ghouls that they decided selling marginalized groups down the fucking river was an acceptable alternative. I’m so glad my life is being sacrificed for their egos.
Considering that harm reduction is part of anarchist thought, but banned by admin fiat on dbzer0 as ‘turbolib’ behavior, I’m unsurprised that you see no difference between “Letting fascism win elections makes our job harder” and “Voting can solve all our problems”
I’m sorry that you find it ‘creepy’ when I point out that tankie opinions are overwhelmingly upvoted and vocally supported on dbzer0 comms, while the moderators and admins do nothing about it. Maybe you can ask your admins to deny UN verified sexual assault a few more times to make things feel less creepy.
Honestly, fuck this.
Are you having fun arguing like this? are you enjoying it? I sure don’t.
I’m going to go play with my guinea pigs, this argument is pointless.
Yeah, I get that having your social circle’s dogma challenged is uncomfortable.
No, but I regard letting people play bad faith bullshit games with questions of genocide, welcoming fascism, and support for authoritarianism as bad fucking practice. If I ‘enjoyed’ this kind of argument, I’d wade into dbzer0 to start fights on an alt. Instead, I just would prefer you keep the bootlicking out of places where decent people congregate.
But hey, those ‘leftists’ were really upset that neolib ghouls said neolib ghoul things, so it’s completely understandable that they sold millions of American minorities out to be oppressed or murdered, and millions of foreign citizens for the same. What noble and bold paragons of proletarian morality.
Of course, on dbzer0, one is banned for pointing that out. But such is the price of anarchist unity, huh?
This is one of my guinea pigs, her name is brownie.