What exactly did the hyperland devs and DHH guy even do anyway, and can you tell me without me having to read 35 links?
(Explanations are always just “they’re nazis” with a bunch of links, which I’m sure have relevance, but I’m not going to some random site unless the juice is worth the squeeze and simply saying “them bad” doesn’t entice enough.)
They are being wrong politically. I think Vaxry (the hyprland developer) opposed to some CoC in Freedesktop and was thus banned. Probably some other anti-woke stuff too. DHH has some pretty right-wing views (e.g. “London is not how I remember it anymore because there are too many foreigners” [paraphrased]) and used his blog to disseminate those views. Perhaps a bit ironically after loudly declaring that politics shouldn’t be talked about at the workplace. I guess technically speaking his blog isn’t the workplace.
Hardly cancel-worthy stuff even though I don’t personally agree with a lot of them. But people are such snowflakes these days and at some point the FOSS community got so fundamental about certain opinions that Spanish Inquisition would look at them and say “Jesus Christ, bring it down a notch”.
One small question, what is “CoC?” In my world it’s a punk band turned dadrock lol.
That doesn’t sound like the biggest deal from what I’ve heard so far though. I disagree with those views too (well tbh I’ve never even been in the country and it’s not possible for me to “miss the old london” but ykwim haha), but I’m not gonna shoot my framework with an M4 like a case of bud light about it.
If I’m being honest I think the good that they’re doing with the HW community right now and their (sometimes misplaced, sure) support for FOSS in general might, in my opinion, outweigh the bad done by them funding these specific projects/people* (*contingent on this being all it is). Like it’d be one thing if say they gave X laptops to ICE to help them out, but hyperland afaik has 10 users and I’ve never heard of DHH or omarchy or whatever until, ironicallly, this outrage gave it publicity. Hell I only previously knew about hyperland (and still don’t actually understand what it is, idk I use KDE) because of people here on linux comms complaining that they’re nazis, “no publicity is bad publicity” and such, it might actually be working in their favor.
These niche software devs that can easily be replaced by “using sway instead” pale in comparison imo to “one of the only two sustainable, modular, repairable laptop manufacturers in existence, the other being possibly exclusively German (idk their sales range, site is in German).” One of these is easily ignorable/replaceable, one is not, and I think I care more about furthering the right to repair than I do “these guys gave some money to a guy who said dumb shit on his blog that probably has 4 readers anyway.”
Code of Conduct, a set of instructions describing how people contributing to a project are expected to behave. It usually says “don’t be an asshole” but some go deep into specifics what they mean by that.
Ah gotcha, well I guess I’d have to look into what that entails in particular to accurately judge that part, though I’m not a fan of codes of conduct in general tbh, excepting things like “please format X code like this” or something to ensure compatibility.
It’s like how I don’t think my job has the right to tell me a goddamn thing about what I can and can’t do at (Freudian slip lmao, after*) work. They can suck it I’m gonna smoke weed and drink whiskey and I’ll see you shitheads on monday, mind ya own business lol.
Nah that’s fair for sure. “Dev channels” sounds a lot like “work” in this context, my job absolutely (imo) has the right to say “no transphobia at work.” I don’t smoke weed and drink whiskey at work either lol.
My problem with CoCs comes when they tell me not to do X outside of work as if they have any real authority (and as if I’d respect it if they did have any. Commit crimes that don’t harm people today!)
Drew DeVault is known for being a tankie? Are you sure about that? Afaik, he’s a rather sensible kind of center-left.
Otoh, calling hyprland’s developer or somebody like DHH fascists is a bit silly too.
What exactly did the hyperland devs and DHH guy even do anyway, and can you tell me without me having to read 35 links?
(Explanations are always just “they’re nazis” with a bunch of links, which I’m sure have relevance, but I’m not going to some random site unless the juice is worth the squeeze and simply saying “them bad” doesn’t entice enough.)
They are being wrong politically. I think Vaxry (the hyprland developer) opposed to some CoC in Freedesktop and was thus banned. Probably some other anti-woke stuff too. DHH has some pretty right-wing views (e.g. “London is not how I remember it anymore because there are too many foreigners” [paraphrased]) and used his blog to disseminate those views. Perhaps a bit ironically after loudly declaring that politics shouldn’t be talked about at the workplace. I guess technically speaking his blog isn’t the workplace.
Hardly cancel-worthy stuff even though I don’t personally agree with a lot of them. But people are such snowflakes these days and at some point the FOSS community got so fundamental about certain opinions that Spanish Inquisition would look at them and say “Jesus Christ, bring it down a notch”.
One small question, what is “CoC?” In my world it’s a punk band turned dadrock lol.
That doesn’t sound like the biggest deal from what I’ve heard so far though. I disagree with those views too (well tbh I’ve never even been in the country and it’s not possible for me to “miss the old london” but ykwim haha), but I’m not gonna shoot my framework with an M4 like a case of bud light about it.
If I’m being honest I think the good that they’re doing with the HW community right now and their (sometimes misplaced, sure) support for FOSS in general might, in my opinion, outweigh the bad done by them funding these specific projects/people* (*contingent on this being all it is). Like it’d be one thing if say they gave X laptops to ICE to help them out, but hyperland afaik has 10 users and I’ve never heard of DHH or omarchy or whatever until, ironicallly, this outrage gave it publicity. Hell I only previously knew about hyperland (and still don’t actually understand what it is, idk I use KDE) because of people here on linux comms complaining that they’re nazis, “no publicity is bad publicity” and such, it might actually be working in their favor.
These niche software devs that can easily be replaced by “using sway instead” pale in comparison imo to “one of the only two sustainable, modular, repairable laptop manufacturers in existence, the other being possibly exclusively German (idk their sales range, site is in German).” One of these is easily ignorable/replaceable, one is not, and I think I care more about furthering the right to repair than I do “these guys gave some money to a guy who said dumb shit on his blog that probably has 4 readers anyway.”
Code of Conduct, a set of instructions describing how people contributing to a project are expected to behave. It usually says “don’t be an asshole” but some go deep into specifics what they mean by that.
Ah gotcha, well I guess I’d have to look into what that entails in particular to accurately judge that part, though I’m not a fan of codes of conduct in general tbh, excepting things like “please format X code like this” or something to ensure compatibility.
It’s like how I don’t think my job has the right to tell me a goddamn thing about what I can and can’t do
at(Freudian slip lmao, after*) work. They can suck it I’m gonna smoke weed and drink whiskey and I’ll see you shitheads on monday, mind ya own business lol.Things like:
Are not as harmful as these “conservatives” would have you believe.
Nah that’s fair for sure. “Dev channels” sounds a lot like “work” in this context, my job absolutely (imo) has the right to say “no transphobia at work.” I don’t smoke weed and drink whiskey at work either lol.
My problem with CoCs comes when they tell me not to do X outside of work as if they have any real authority (and as if I’d respect it if they did have any. Commit crimes that don’t harm people today!)